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« on: December 16, 2010, 10:44:32 AM »

Ive been asked to provide a quote for a single door entry system as follows:

biometric (finger print) entry and exit
logging TA

Anyone got any pointers for me?
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 01:35:22 PM »
Ive been asked to provide a quote for a single door entry system as follows:

biometric (finger print) entry and exit
logging TA

Anyone got any pointers for me?
Don't use a cheap finger print reader as they are a nightmare. I would seriously do a one door Net2 or ACT with a quality reader and subcontract the TA. I use to be Engineer Manager of Plantime (G4S) and when the transaction effects wages you enter a whole new arena. I can point you in the direction of a company who do TA and integrate into Paxton and ACT who will pay you commission.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 02:17:41 PM »
Thanks. Paxton have just given me a quote but they dont do the fingerprint readers, Norbain have given me a quote which comes in at around £1300 - no idea what its for as their product codes in the quote dont match anything on their site.

Re the TA aspect, I thought if the access control was connected to their PC/network it would output the TA data? I want my involvement to stop there.

I cant see this customer wanting to integrate the data into payroll.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 02:40:07 PM »
Thanks. Paxton have just given me a quote but they dont do the fingerprint readers, Norbain have given me a quote which comes in at around £1300 - no idea what its for as their product codes in the quote dont match anything on their site.

Re the TA aspect, I thought if the access control was connected to their PC/network it would output the TA data? I want my involvement to stop there.

I cant see this customer wanting to integrate the data into payroll.
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Paxton don't do fingerprint readers but their control units will take a 3rd party one, that way you can buy a decent one like a Bioscript, Paxton provide application notes to connect them http://www.paxton.co.uk/docs/oem%20readers/6.pdf
If your talking in and out reports then Net2 will give you that. TA is different as it is counting time and has options for lunches etc. If you want a package which will use the Net2 data to intergrate into another package then try www.thinking-software.com, the products called Horizon ask for Liz Webb. Introduce them to the client and they will deal with the setup and tech support and give you a payment to say thanks. They are experienced with integrating into Net2 as well.

Main problem is tailgating unless you got turnstiles etc..

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 02:42:32 PM »
http://www.thinking-software.com/horizon.php?id=2&subid=3&sub=horizon_acontrol
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 03:15:12 PM »

Cheers, have some karma.

What do you think to the Suprema Bioentry Plus from Norbain?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 03:45:20 PM »
Cheers, have some karma.

What do you think to the Suprema Bioentry Plus from Norbain?
Never used it, but Paxton have got an App note for it so they have tested it will work.

Another to bear in mind with Fingerprint readers, give them an option of purchasing an enrollment reader. Basically another reader bolted to desk or wall by PC to save people queuing up by the main readers to enroll. If your going to use Net2 you will need an extra ACU and reader. With cards you cna have them piled up in front of you pending issue, not the same with fingerprints lol.

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 06:06:28 PM »
http://www.sensoraccess.co.uk/standalone.php  About £400 I think 4000 users, we have found that some of the finger readers (standalone and pc based) have trouble with some people though
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 06:30:45 PM »
http://www.sensoraccess.co.uk/standalone.php  About £400 I think 4000 users, we have found that some of the finger readers (standalone and pc based) have trouble with some people though
Not much good for read in/out or TA Pete. interesting product though, have you used them?

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 08:18:28 PM »
Apparently these are also quoting

http://www.easydenticsa.com/index.php?RubID=28

so far they seem to be the  cold call/hard sell type. Ive never heard of them.

The customer has said that they have told him if their system fails they will send a guard out to stand at his door! This is a nursery school btw.


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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 08:21:44 PM »
Not much good for read in/out or TA Pete. interesting product though, have you used them?

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I did an Arfur and didnt read the op properly http://www.sensoraccess.co.uk/biometrics.php this is the pc based kit

Dave we have installed the standalone version without prox and the pc based with prox, pc based with prox is very good the stand alone is good but if you have small fingers it takes several attempts(and several fingers) sometimes. We always get customers to program two or three fingers into it just in case.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 08:58:47 AM »
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I cant see this customer wanting to integrate the data into payroll.

It may be that when they realise that the data is available and are duplicating work manually then it may become too much of a pull...

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 07:57:50 PM »
well - if they want(need) to IDentify ppl then there is a hand vein reader (if they cut your hand off it doesn't work unlike with finger print stuff. they can use your finger tip to get in. would you prefer a way of identification that does not put you into the zone of danger?? or would you prefer a fingerprint stuff that allows the sons of satan to cut your fingers off and use them later for their own purposes..

sorry - am drunk and trying to make a valid point..
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 08:12:47 PM »
lol, evenin Georg. There are readers out there that require a "live" finger not a chooped off digit.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 08:36:23 PM »
well - if they want(need) to IDentify ppl then there is a hand vein reader (if they cut your hand off it doesn't work unlike with finger print stuff. they can use your finger tip to get in. would you prefer a way of identification that does not put you into the zone of danger?? or would you prefer a fingerprint stuff that allows the sons of satan to cut your fingers off and use them later for their own purposes..

sorry - am drunk and trying to make a valid point..

Mate, the job's in North Yorks not New York!
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2010, 08:37:48 PM »
It may be that when they realise that the data is available and are duplicating work manually then it may become too much of a pull...

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It looks like it's going this way, going to give Liz Webb (above) a call on Monday.
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2010, 04:55:16 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2010, 11:27:22 AM »
It looks like it's going this way, going to give Liz Webb (above) a call on Monday.
Thinking software is probably a bit overkill in both features and price for a one door system.
Any reader giving a weigand/C&D output will work on ACT or Paxton.

For what you've described, the ACT free software will give you the reports/info the customer requires.
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