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« on: March 11, 2008, 09:10:47 PM »
Anyone have an idea what weight an Escort van can tow ??



We have just bought a cherry picker and thinking of towing it with an escort van.
I towed it a few times last year with my other Honda accord no problem at all.

This is the picker

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 09:19:09 PM »
You mean the Red escort van i saw in manchester today, should pull that easy.

How much did the cherry picker cost you ? we got offer one about £1600 last year but the yearly checks cost more than to hire one when we need one.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 09:20:30 PM »
£1000.00 inc vat
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 09:21:59 PM »
escort 55

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Engine: cyl/cc:   4/1753
Engine Type:   D
Bhp @ rpm:   60/4800
Lb/ft @ rpm:   81/2500
Engine/Drive:   FF
Gearbox:   5
Automatic:   No
Power Steering:   Yes
Brakes:   S/Di/Dr
Anti-lock:   No
Tyres:   165/80x13
 
 Overall Length(mm):   4285
Overall Width(mm):   1688
Overall Height(mm):   1576
Wheelbase(mm):   2598
Turning Circle(m):   10.3k/10.8
Loading Height(mm):   498
Rear Door Height(mm):   1022
Rear Door Width(mm):   1260
Load Height(mm):   1076
Load Length(mm):   1823
Min Load Width(mm):   1160
Max Load Width(mm):   1625
Load Volume(M3):   2.5
Gross Payload(Kg):   550
Gross Vehicle Weight(Kg):   1700
Kerb Weight(Kg):   1150
Towing Limit(Kg):   665
Tank(litres/gallons):   55/12.1
 


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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 09:23:05 PM »
 scared diy steps
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2008, 09:24:08 PM »
Depends on the model.

The 55 1.8D pulls a Towing Limit  665 (Kg):
  
The 55 1.8tD pulls a Towing Limit  850 (Kg):  
  
The 75 1.8D pulls a Towing Limit  465  (Kg):  

And the 75 1.8tD pulls a Towing Limit  650 (Kg):  
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 09:32:43 PM »
Quote from: Mr Happy on March 11, 2008, 09:21:59 PM
escort 55
 

buy a berlingo, much nicer to drive

We already have an escort.


Thinking of getting another van but just want a small one, so if we can tow the picker with the escort we will look at a pug 206 van 1.4 HDI
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 09:33:52 PM »
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 LOL £9.99 stax
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2008, 10:20:54 PM »
They can only just pull themselves, surprised the government hasnt banned fitting towbars to them.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2008, 11:03:43 PM »
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I saw those but thought better of saying anything. Scott will be handing his notice in if you offer him them,
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 07:19:04 PM »
Wow £1k thats very tempting we pay £150.00/£200 several times a year by year 2 it will be paid for easy
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 07:33:44 PM »
Quote from: Whistle on March 11, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
Thinking of getting another van but just want a small one,

206 will pull the picker...... (what van)

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Towing Limit(Kg):   1100

the escort weights must be for an unbraked trailer?

my advice would be buy the same type of van...... 

now if you own your own picker (been toying with a van mounted type for a long while) its the loler cert which cost the money?
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 08:26:29 PM »
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the escort weights must be for an unbraked trailer?

Just what "What Van listed on the specs, didnt mention what type of trailer just towing limits.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 08:31:57 PM »
Quote from: Ian.cant on March 12, 2008, 08:26:29 PM
Just what "What Van listed on the specs, didnt mention what type of trailor just towing limits.

yep, that where I looked it up too  001_smile
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 08:53:11 PM »
Been thinking of a van type here too, we pay about £250 to hire and only really use them for Manchester, might be cheaper to get a tow bar and pay one of you mancs instead.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 09:04:54 PM »
van picker does not need mot & can run on red derv..... sure the road tx is cheap too?
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 10:56:39 PM »
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van picker does not need mot & can run on red derv

You 100% on that statement, im wouldnt think you were right. A picker on site can but ive not heard that a moble vehicle based one can.

Again about the mot im thinking your wrong about that too, but i dont know! I would have thought that any road going vehicle needs and mot thats why they carry dumpers etc on trucks.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 11:08:45 PM »
a picker is plant?

for example a fork lift can be run on road with out reg plates mot or tax within "x" distance of where there it "lives"
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 11:14:18 PM »
it fact daft things like regeristing a vechile for day time use only means you don't need headlights?
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2008, 08:26:03 AM »
Quote from: Mr Happy on March 12, 2008, 11:08:45 PM
a picker is plant?

for example a fork lift can be run on road with out reg plates mot or tax within "x" distance of where there it "lives"




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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2008, 01:10:22 PM »
Theres a big difference between a self propelled boom (which is allowed to run on red deisel) and a transit van with a boom on the back which is a road going vehicle and therefore liable for road tax, mot's and not allowed to run on red deisel.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 05:08:54 PM »
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Theres a big difference between a self propelled boom (which is allowed to run on red deisel) and a transit van with a boom on the back which is a road going vehicle and therefore liable for road tax, mot's and not allowed to run on red deisel.

going of what I read on the auto trader?

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/plant/advert+search/N-0,Ne-7-8-27-64-133-146/advert.action?R=200810108981868&distance=171&postcode=W1F+9NB&channel=PLANT&make=&model=&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=

but would seem to be much more complex than that

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8.12 Mobile cranes

A vehicle in this category must be designed and constructed as a mobile crane which:

(a) is used on public roads only as a crane in connection with work carried on at a site in the immediate vicinity or for the purpose of proceeding to and from the place where it is to be used,

(b) when so proceeding does not carry any load except such as is necessary for its propulsion or the operation of built-in lifting apparatus, and

(c) has a revenue weight exceeding 3,500 kilograms.

The category does not include load carrying vehicles such as van-mounted access platforms.

In the case of articulated vehicles, it is the towing vehicle and not the crane itself, that would be using the red diesel and hence no red diesel entitlement exists. Trailer-mounted equipment drawing its fuel from a tank separate to that used by the towing vehicle may use red diesel, but the towing vehicle itself has no red diesel entitlement.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 06:46:35 PM »
Stop messing about.... Just get one of these. It's even got some nice storage compartments, somewhere to keep your lunch box:

http://dbase.evems.com:1066/FMPro?-db=dbase.fp5&-format=evems%5f2007%2fgallery.html&-lay=exmod&-op=cn&description=specialist%20fire&-max=9&-recid=33945&-find=
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 07:37:23 PM »
more suitable for window cleaners?
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 07:41:56 PM »
http://www.gov.gg/ccm/cms-service/download/asset/?asset_id=6433027

Page 6 of this pdf says you cannot use red deisel on vehicle mounted platforms.

The pdf attached shows a list of vehicles exempt, i dont think that includes van mounted platforms either.

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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 08:04:51 PM »
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http://www.gov.gg/ccm/cms-service/download/asset/?asset_id=6433027

Page 6 of this pdf says you cannot use red deisel on vehicle mounted platforms.

The pdf attached shows a list of vehicles exempt, i dont think that includes van mounted platforms either.

thats where my quotes from however "van" is not defined? both iveco daily's & cargo will be over the 3500kg?

however RFL + insurance for wagon are likely to be pricey?
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 09:26:00 PM »
your quote specificaly mentions "vehicle mounted access platforms... " as NOT been excempt
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2008, 09:47:41 PM »
Quote from: Ian.cant on March 13, 2008, 07:41:56 PM
http://www.gov.gg/ccm/cms-service/download/asset/?asset_id=6433027

Page 6 of this pdf says you cannot use red deisel on vehicle mounted platforms.

The pdf attached shows a list of vehicles exempt, i dont think that includes van mounted platforms either.

Suppose your going to tell me i can't put it in my van now, bleedin tax...
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2008, 10:26:46 PM »
Quote from: angus on March 13, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
your quote specificaly mentions "vehicle mounted access platforms... " as NOT been excempt

says "van" but van not defined?
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2008, 11:02:39 PM »
I think it does as a vehicle thats capable of carrying good also, whereas a mobile crane cannot carry goods also.
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2008, 11:10:32 PM »
Since found out today that the picker has its own breakes.

So i am going to get a tow bar fitted to my car and tow it with that.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2008, 11:11:54 PM »
yay? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/cherry-picker-access-platforms_W0QQitemZ320227416221QQihZ011QQcategoryZ18307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

nay ?http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/cherry-picker-access-platforms_W0QQitemZ320227416234QQihZ011QQcategoryZ18307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2008, 11:13:18 PM »
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Since found out today that the picker has its own breakes.

So i am going to get a tow bar fitted to my car and tow it with that.

well the downside is, passers by may think your a caravaner  scared
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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2008, 09:51:30 AM »
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well the downside is, passers by may think your a caravaner  scared
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